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	<title>Comments on: New reason why punishment doesn&#8217;t work: the law!</title>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-22349</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your blog via Blog Carnival and really like this post!

I&#039;m an Attachment Parenting mother (though I do fail from time to time!) and agree that when &quot;discipline&quot; is based around punishment - the goal is completely lost. I very much agree with letting natural consequences occur when appropriate (RE: you don&#039;t wear your jacked on a cold day, you&#039;re cold!) and allowing kids to learn from their own mistakes when possible. I believe that children raised with respect being shown to them (to their bodies and their minds) will show much respect to themselves and others as they grow. This keeps them from all kinds of trouble! 

Such as with the girl that took her father to court - she&#039;d likely never had inappropriately used the internet in the first place if she had high respect for herself, and she definitely would not have done something as disrespectful as taking a parent to court if there was a firm, loving relationship in place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your blog via Blog Carnival and really like this post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an Attachment Parenting mother (though I do fail from time to time!) and agree that when &#8220;discipline&#8221; is based around punishment &#8211; the goal is completely lost. I very much agree with letting natural consequences occur when appropriate (RE: you don&#8217;t wear your jacked on a cold day, you&#8217;re cold!) and allowing kids to learn from their own mistakes when possible. I believe that children raised with respect being shown to them (to their bodies and their minds) will show much respect to themselves and others as they grow. This keeps them from all kinds of trouble! </p>
<p>Such as with the girl that took her father to court &#8211; she&#8217;d likely never had inappropriately used the internet in the first place if she had high respect for herself, and she definitely would not have done something as disrespectful as taking a parent to court if there was a firm, loving relationship in place.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 Things All New Parents Should Know</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-13963</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Things All New Parents Should Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to &#8220;discipline&#8221; their child. But often when they say discipline, they mean spanking or punishing. However, the word discipline means to teach. That is what parents need to do. They need to guide [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to &#8220;discipline&#8221; their child. But often when they say discipline, they mean spanking or punishing. However, the word discipline means to teach. That is what parents need to do. They need to guide [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-7700</link>
		<dc:creator>Lara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago New Zealand made it illegal to physically assault a child, and I was surprised that it was still legal in Australia (where I live).  I did a bit of reading on the subject, and one of the interesting things I learned was that countries who brought in this type of legislation decades ago are now seeing a lower incidence of violent crime that appears to correspond to the change in the laws.

As far as the state &quot;interfering with parenting&quot;, I think it is entirely appropriate for the state to mandate the rights of the child.  Unless assault is illegal, parents will still think that physical punishment is ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago New Zealand made it illegal to physically assault a child, and I was surprised that it was still legal in Australia (where I live).  I did a bit of reading on the subject, and one of the interesting things I learned was that countries who brought in this type of legislation decades ago are now seeing a lower incidence of violent crime that appears to correspond to the change in the laws.</p>
<p>As far as the state &#8220;interfering with parenting&#8221;, I think it is entirely appropriate for the state to mandate the rights of the child.  Unless assault is illegal, parents will still think that physical punishment is ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogiversary Scavenger Hunt Answers &#124; PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-7397</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogiversary Scavenger Hunt Answers &#124; PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What are the four reasons I listed why punishment isn’t effective? I listed them in new reason why punishment doesn&#8217;t work: the law. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Best anti-spanking resources &#171; PhD in Parenting Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Best anti-spanking resources &#171; PhD in Parenting Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] punishment in schools and 23 have banned spanking everywhere, including in the home and another 20, including Canada, are considering bans.  It talks about the fact that the United Nations has set 2009 as a goal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 10 Things All New Parents Should Know &#171; PhD in Parenting Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/06/20/new-reason-why-punishment-doesnt-work-the-law/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>10 Things All New Parents Should Know &#171; PhD in Parenting Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to &#8220;discipline&#8221; their child. But often when they say discipline, they mean spanking or punishing. However, the word discipline means to teach. That is what parents need to do. They need to guide [...]</description>
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		<title>By: gwyneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwyneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am horrified by this on so many levels.
that the courts are interfering in parenting. as a school teacher i am none too pleased with the quality of education the government gives, i would not be impressed by their quality of parenting.
If my daughter were posting such things on the internet i would consider keeping her home and not entrusting her to a few teachers who have to chaperon a large number of kids on a trip to a large city as being diligent and careful. The punishment aspect of it would be a sideline.

in terms of the nature of punishments I like the concept of natural consequences. Part of the difficulty i see with high school students is that they have no understanding that what they do has real consequences, no understanding of the problems they are creating for themselves later in life by their actions now. I think that if you use procedures like timeouts and spanking wisely and consistently, explaining sympathetically that it is the consequence for the specific action, it can be very loving and very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am horrified by this on so many levels.<br />
that the courts are interfering in parenting. as a school teacher i am none too pleased with the quality of education the government gives, i would not be impressed by their quality of parenting.<br />
If my daughter were posting such things on the internet i would consider keeping her home and not entrusting her to a few teachers who have to chaperon a large number of kids on a trip to a large city as being diligent and careful. The punishment aspect of it would be a sideline.</p>
<p>in terms of the nature of punishments I like the concept of natural consequences. Part of the difficulty i see with high school students is that they have no understanding that what they do has real consequences, no understanding of the problems they are creating for themselves later in life by their actions now. I think that if you use procedures like timeouts and spanking wisely and consistently, explaining sympathetically that it is the consequence for the specific action, it can be very loving and very effective.</p>
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