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		<title>By: Finding an AP-Friendly Caregiver &#124; Attachment Parenting International Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-48102</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] baby alone in a room to scream and cry himself to sleep. Even if the sitter had chosen to &#8220;cry it out&#8221; with her own children, one would think that there is enough controversy about the practice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] baby alone in a room to scream and cry himself to sleep. Even if the sitter had chosen to &#8220;cry it out&#8221; with her own children, one would think that there is enough controversy about the practice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: high-school-dropout in parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-47735</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eh, maybe so. I&#039;ve moved to what people call &quot;The Heartland&quot; since my eldest was born, and maybe it&#039;s just a geographic/cultural thing. AP was pretty fashionable back in my old hometown at that time, and I really think I got into it, not because I believed in it, but because that&#039;s what all the Cool Moms were doing. Stupid in retrospect, but the human is a social critter...

Anyway, what I&#039;ve come to suspect is that there really are approximately 6,124 ways to skin a cat, and I&#039;m not as maternally superior to my grandma as I thought I was back when I was 23. ;) Which, that&#039;s kind of a bummer, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eh, maybe so. I&#8217;ve moved to what people call &#8220;The Heartland&#8221; since my eldest was born, and maybe it&#8217;s just a geographic/cultural thing. AP was pretty fashionable back in my old hometown at that time, and I really think I got into it, not because I believed in it, but because that&#8217;s what all the Cool Moms were doing. Stupid in retrospect, but the human is a social critter&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, what I&#8217;ve come to suspect is that there really are approximately 6,124 ways to skin a cat, and I&#8217;m not as maternally superior to my grandma as I thought I was back when I was 23. <img src='http://www.phdinparenting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Which, that&#8217;s kind of a bummer, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: high-school-dropout in parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-47732</link>
		<dc:creator>high-school-dropout in parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the other thing I wonder is, do these experts who staunchly oppose CIO have a similar objection to forcing a kid to ride in a carseat? Because I&#039;ve spent more time than I&#039;d like to remember listening to a baby howl from his carseat. All I could do is make sure he/she was fed, changed, and comfortable, and then say, &quot;Sorry, lil bud. You&#039;re just going to have to cope.&quot; 

My oldest would ONLY sleep in his carseat for awhile, and now I suspect this is because we&#039;d inadvertently trained him to know that the carseat was nonnegotiable. Like, from birth. (even newborns have moms who have to buy groceries.)

Is that &quot;learned helplessness?&quot; and if so, is learned helplessness always such an awful thing for a kiddo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the other thing I wonder is, do these experts who staunchly oppose CIO have a similar objection to forcing a kid to ride in a carseat? Because I&#8217;ve spent more time than I&#8217;d like to remember listening to a baby howl from his carseat. All I could do is make sure he/she was fed, changed, and comfortable, and then say, &#8220;Sorry, lil bud. You&#8217;re just going to have to cope.&#8221; </p>
<p>My oldest would ONLY sleep in his carseat for awhile, and now I suspect this is because we&#8217;d inadvertently trained him to know that the carseat was nonnegotiable. Like, from birth. (even newborns have moms who have to buy groceries.)</p>
<p>Is that &#8220;learned helplessness?&#8221; and if so, is learned helplessness always such an awful thing for a kiddo?</p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-47731</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of my AP friends have young babies. I wouldn&#039;t call it a dying fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of my AP friends have young babies. I wouldn&#8217;t call it a dying fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: high-school-dropout in parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-47728</link>
		<dc:creator>high-school-dropout in parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that when I had two kids under two, and a husband who was out of town half the time, CIO was pretty much the difference between repeatedly slapping my eighteen-month-old out of sheer exhaustion and frustration, and the sane and happy family life we have now. 

And it took less than a week, and less than three hours of crying, to get here. The &quot;cost&quot; is almost entirely theoretical, and not particularly well-argued-for, in my opinion. (well, and there&#039;s the hassle of having to listen to a really angry toddler holler for awhile, but honestly, that was the least of our problems by the time I hit that wall) 

But the benefit? Priceless and obvious. Chronic sleep deprivation is nothing to casually screw around with, and I think that actually goes double for the primary caretakers of small children and our charges.

Anyway, I thought this whole Attachment Parenting thing was a dying fashion. Do you still meet youngish AP moms? I don&#039;t believe at this point you could pay me to read anything by Dr. Sears. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that when I had two kids under two, and a husband who was out of town half the time, CIO was pretty much the difference between repeatedly slapping my eighteen-month-old out of sheer exhaustion and frustration, and the sane and happy family life we have now. </p>
<p>And it took less than a week, and less than three hours of crying, to get here. The &#8220;cost&#8221; is almost entirely theoretical, and not particularly well-argued-for, in my opinion. (well, and there&#8217;s the hassle of having to listen to a really angry toddler holler for awhile, but honestly, that was the least of our problems by the time I hit that wall) </p>
<p>But the benefit? Priceless and obvious. Chronic sleep deprivation is nothing to casually screw around with, and I think that actually goes double for the primary caretakers of small children and our charges.</p>
<p>Anyway, I thought this whole Attachment Parenting thing was a dying fashion. Do you still meet youngish AP moms? I don&#8217;t believe at this point you could pay me to read anything by Dr. Sears. lol</p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh:

I don&#039;t know what every parent has gone through, but I have talked to a lot of parents and read the stories of a lot of parents who did decide to go the CIO route (as well as many who didn&#039;t). I do know plenty of people who were dealing with less frustrating sleep situations that I was and who did turn to CIO. But I&#039;m not making a judgment that all parents who use CIO have a lower threshold for frustration than I do. I&#039;m just making an allowance for the fact that that may be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what every parent has gone through, but I have talked to a lot of parents and read the stories of a lot of parents who did decide to go the CIO route (as well as many who didn&#8217;t). I do know plenty of people who were dealing with less frustrating sleep situations that I was and who did turn to CIO. But I&#8217;m not making a judgment that all parents who use CIO have a lower threshold for frustration than I do. I&#8217;m just making an allowance for the fact that that may be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigh</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2008/07/05/no-cry-it-out/#comment-47285</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, according to you, you are making a judgment* that people who use CIO have a lower threshold for frustration than you do caused by an infant that doesn&#039;t sleep.  Yet, you have no idea what other parents have done, what they have dealt with in comparison to you, what their children need or are like, what reasons they decided to go the CIO route, or even what CIO means to them.  Again, citing your own arguments on judgment and why you don&#039;t think you are doing it doesn&#039;t change the facts.

*Definition of judgment: a: the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b :  an opinion or estimate so formed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, according to you, you are making a judgment* that people who use CIO have a lower threshold for frustration than you do caused by an infant that doesn&#8217;t sleep.  Yet, you have no idea what other parents have done, what they have dealt with in comparison to you, what their children need or are like, what reasons they decided to go the CIO route, or even what CIO means to them.  Again, citing your own arguments on judgment and why you don&#8217;t think you are doing it doesn&#8217;t change the facts.</p>
<p>*Definition of judgment: a: the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b :  an opinion or estimate so formed</p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh:

The reason that I don&#039;t judge is that I know everyone has limits. I think CIO is wrong. Period. But I don&#039;t judge parents who use it, because I know that some people may hit the wall earlier than I do when it comes to the frustration caused by an infant who doesn&#039;t sleep. That doesn&#039;t make CIO good or right, but I can understand why some people are driven to that point. I wish that they could find a way to get better support, rather than having to resort to CIO, but unless I&#039;m living there in their house with them and am there to provide that support, I don&#039;t feel that I can judge their choice. That said, people who go hold opinions that babies cries are not meant to be answered, that they just have to toughen up and that say &quot;ha ha....we can&#039;t hear you....LOL&quot; as their baby screams for over an hour every night. Yeah...I judge that. That sucks. More on the difference between saying &quot;I don&#039;t agree with that&quot; and &quot;I judge you for that&quot; in this post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/09/26/dont-judge-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t Judge Me&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh:</p>
<p>The reason that I don&#8217;t judge is that I know everyone has limits. I think CIO is wrong. Period. But I don&#8217;t judge parents who use it, because I know that some people may hit the wall earlier than I do when it comes to the frustration caused by an infant who doesn&#8217;t sleep. That doesn&#8217;t make CIO good or right, but I can understand why some people are driven to that point. I wish that they could find a way to get better support, rather than having to resort to CIO, but unless I&#8217;m living there in their house with them and am there to provide that support, I don&#8217;t feel that I can judge their choice. That said, people who go hold opinions that babies cries are not meant to be answered, that they just have to toughen up and that say &#8220;ha ha&#8230;.we can&#8217;t hear you&#8230;.LOL&#8221; as their baby screams for over an hour every night. Yeah&#8230;I judge that. That sucks. More on the difference between saying &#8220;I don&#8217;t agree with that&#8221; and &#8220;I judge you for that&#8221; in this post: <a href="http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/09/26/dont-judge-me/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Don&#8217;t Judge Me&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sigh</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly am not trying to shame you into arguing less - I am just trying to point out that there has to be a line between research and actually being a parent.  Where it ends for you is completely your choice.

I also don&#039;t want you to back down in your beliefs - I just don&#039;t like that you say you aren&#039;t judging anyone in one breath and then in the next you say that if they do this, they could harm their children.  Because really, if you saw someone beating their child, would you be able to say &quot;I am not judging you, but I don&#039;t think that beating your child is right and you should stop, but I recognize that you have a right to parent the way you want to&quot;?  I would definitely judge someone who I thought was hurting their child.  What you are doing here is basically saying that if you use CIO, you are guilty of child abuse.  Gee, I wonder why people get upset about that?  

The only thing you are doing &quot;wrong&quot; in my book is that you are presenting your OPINION as FACT and backing it up with fallacious data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly am not trying to shame you into arguing less &#8211; I am just trying to point out that there has to be a line between research and actually being a parent.  Where it ends for you is completely your choice.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t want you to back down in your beliefs &#8211; I just don&#8217;t like that you say you aren&#8217;t judging anyone in one breath and then in the next you say that if they do this, they could harm their children.  Because really, if you saw someone beating their child, would you be able to say &#8220;I am not judging you, but I don&#8217;t think that beating your child is right and you should stop, but I recognize that you have a right to parent the way you want to&#8221;?  I would definitely judge someone who I thought was hurting their child.  What you are doing here is basically saying that if you use CIO, you are guilty of child abuse.  Gee, I wonder why people get upset about that?  </p>
<p>The only thing you are doing &#8220;wrong&#8221; in my book is that you are presenting your OPINION as FACT and backing it up with fallacious data.</p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sigh:&lt;/strong&gt;

I think letting a child cry for a couple of hours a night for a week has the potential to harm their relationship with their parents, make them fearful of going to sleep, etc. I also think that we don&#039;t know how much is too much and there is no definitive way to say that every human will be okay with being neglected for X number of minutes and every human will be damaged after being neglected for Y number of minutes. Each person is different and I&#039;d rather err on the side of caution and would prefer that others do too. But obviously I cannot make that decision for them and although I think CIO is wrong, I recognize that other parents have the right to make their own choices. 

Obviously I&#039;m not going to convince you of anything, but I&#039;m also not going to back down and say &quot;OMG because she accused me of researching instead of spending time with my children I obviously need to shut up&quot;. Give me a break. I have plenty of other posts I could point you to on my blog that outline the reasons why I write about how we can become better parents, how I feel about the &quot;don&#039;t judge me&quot;  requests, and so on. I would point you to them if I thought that you were actually listening and interested, but I don&#039;t get the sense that you are. You&#039;re obviously here just to tell me that I&#039;m wrong and I&#039;m not going to change my mind on this issue, so I&#039;m going to go hang out with my kids instead of arguing with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sigh:</strong></p>
<p>I think letting a child cry for a couple of hours a night for a week has the potential to harm their relationship with their parents, make them fearful of going to sleep, etc. I also think that we don&#8217;t know how much is too much and there is no definitive way to say that every human will be okay with being neglected for X number of minutes and every human will be damaged after being neglected for Y number of minutes. Each person is different and I&#8217;d rather err on the side of caution and would prefer that others do too. But obviously I cannot make that decision for them and although I think CIO is wrong, I recognize that other parents have the right to make their own choices. </p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;m not going to convince you of anything, but I&#8217;m also not going to back down and say &#8220;OMG because she accused me of researching instead of spending time with my children I obviously need to shut up&#8221;. Give me a break. I have plenty of other posts I could point you to on my blog that outline the reasons why I write about how we can become better parents, how I feel about the &#8220;don&#8217;t judge me&#8221;  requests, and so on. I would point you to them if I thought that you were actually listening and interested, but I don&#8217;t get the sense that you are. You&#8217;re obviously here just to tell me that I&#8217;m wrong and I&#8217;m not going to change my mind on this issue, so I&#8217;m going to go hang out with my kids instead of arguing with you.</p>
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