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		<title>By: mikimoto pearl necklace</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikimoto pearl necklace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do nearly all of the cooking, my wife handles the laundry and the bill paying. Nice post btw</description>
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		<title>By: WFPP Guest Post: Can Mama Bear Let Go? &#171; Raising My Boychick</title>
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		<dc:creator>WFPP Guest Post: Can Mama Bear Let Go? &#171; Raising My Boychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] biological connection and despite society’s assumptions about a mother’s role, the birth mother does not have to take on the lion’s share of the nurturing and caregiving. Whether the parents choose equally shared parenting, whether the birth mother is the primary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] biological connection and despite society’s assumptions about a mother’s role, the birth mother does not have to take on the lion’s share of the nurturing and caregiving. Whether the parents choose equally shared parenting, whether the birth mother is the primary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Used Cars Los Angeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Used Cars Los Angeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think feminism has different levels of practitioners.  You have on one extreme the feminist that believe that equal rights are mandatory, and thats completely understandable. Men or women need to be treated equal under any circumstance.  However, there are the feminist who believe that the fight continues, who preach equal rights, but really just take it 10 steps above and beyond the reality.  Hardcore feminist who I believe want to make women the head of everything, and I dont think thats fair.  When it comes to parenting, there has to be a level playing field.  A parent who regards equal rights regardless of gender will be more successful than a hardcore one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think feminism has different levels of practitioners.  You have on one extreme the feminist that believe that equal rights are mandatory, and thats completely understandable. Men or women need to be treated equal under any circumstance.  However, there are the feminist who believe that the fight continues, who preach equal rights, but really just take it 10 steps above and beyond the reality.  Hardcore feminist who I believe want to make women the head of everything, and I dont think thats fair.  When it comes to parenting, there has to be a level playing field.  A parent who regards equal rights regardless of gender will be more successful than a hardcore one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sixth Carnival of Feminist Parenting &#171; Mothers For Women&#8217;s Lib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sixth Carnival of Feminist Parenting &#171; Mothers For Women&#8217;s Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood, PhDinParenting discusses the need for society to recognise fathers as parents in the same way it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Phil Stay-at-home mom vs. working mom show &#124; PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/05/18/feminism-fathers-and-valuing-parenthood/#comment-20259</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Phil Stay-at-home mom vs. working mom show &#124; PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dads are parents too: With the exception of one woman who mentioned that she worked in law enforcement and shared child care activities with her husband, there was no mention of these women&#8217;s spouses at all. Shouldn&#8217;t there have been just as many men in the audience defending their decision to go back to work or their decision to stay home? I think it is ridiculous that it is still a novelty for men to stay home and that our society still assumes that a working mom = kids in day care. Read more: Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dads are parents too: With the exception of one woman who mentioned that she worked in law enforcement and shared child care activities with her husband, there was no mention of these women&#8217;s spouses at all. Shouldn&#8217;t there have been just as many men in the audience defending their decision to go back to work or their decision to stay home? I think it is ridiculous that it is still a novelty for men to stay home and that our society still assumes that a working mom = kids in day care. Read more: Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: purplefembot</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completley agree with you, on many many levels. Parenting is called parenting for a reason. It involves not only a mother but a larger extended family and community . As a feminist, I am pro all things that make it easier for woman to breastfeed, return to work (if she wishes) and legislation that is pro-family in general. But, as any smart feminist would argue, the parenting role should not just be restricted to mothers and if society does so we oppress woman. 

The old praise it takes a village to raise a child... still hold many truths, even in today&#039;s society. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completley agree with you, on many many levels. Parenting is called parenting for a reason. It involves not only a mother but a larger extended family and community . As a feminist, I am pro all things that make it easier for woman to breastfeed, return to work (if she wishes) and legislation that is pro-family in general. But, as any smart feminist would argue, the parenting role should not just be restricted to mothers and if society does so we oppress woman. </p>
<p>The old praise it takes a village to raise a child&#8230; still hold many truths, even in today&#8217;s society. <img src='http://www.phdinparenting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Now that I&#8217;m caught up in Google Reader&#8230; &#171; Raising My Boychick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now that I&#8217;m caught up in Google Reader&#8230; &#171; Raising My Boychick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently, because I&#8217;m working backward in my Reader Starred folder), PhD in Parenting wrote Feminism, fathers, and valuing parenting: We need to push for a society that values family and parenthood. One that recognizes that role [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amy Vachon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic discussion here!  Annie, thanks so much for letting me know about your post at Working Parents blog, and for linking to our website.  It makes me so happy to read along - it is about time we stopped calling family issues &#039;mothers&#039; issues&#039; and included the other half of the equation.  We gain so much more power in causes such as paid parental leave if we are all in it together!

All the best,
   Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic discussion here!  Annie, thanks so much for letting me know about your post at Working Parents blog, and for linking to our website.  It makes me so happy to read along &#8211; it is about time we stopped calling family issues &#8216;mothers&#8217; issues&#8217; and included the other half of the equation.  We gain so much more power in causes such as paid parental leave if we are all in it together!</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
   Amy</p>
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		<title>By: First Carnival of Feminist Parenting &#171; Mothers For Women&#8217;s Lib</title>
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		<description>[...] Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood posted at PhD in Parenting. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bengt Neathery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bengt Neathery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an egalitarian, in practical contexts. Which is to say respect, rights, pay, etc. should be equal. I&#039;m not educated enough in the area of feminism to understand why the fight to be equal requires the promotion of one side over the other to accomplish that goal, however I&#039;m sure someone will explain it to me.

When required to consider the consequences or symptoms of any problem I&#039;ve always found it helpful to identify and understand the players, and their evolutionary roots. Here are some out loud thoughts that I&#039;m sure will make some upset, yet possibly have some secret acknowledgments as well, as so many topics are easier to hide behind what is popular or &#039;correct&#039; that to voice and discuss openly.

Women are natural multi-taskers, although I cannot reference the studies, this is a biological fact. Also there are many studies looking at the hormonal protection mode of mother over children and &#039;instinct&#039; that magically allows a woman to know a course of action to take. I find it interesting in many relationships that men are not &#039;allowed&#039; to make the care decisions day to day, or on a specific event (child fall go boom) and that as with any activity, practice or lack thereof leads to a lack of knowledge in taking action at these times. My point is that there is an assumption (correct or not) that the mother knows best how to deliver care. Our society promotes men as being a physical force in the family for protection / breadwinning duties (it is unspoken, but immediately felt in a circle of men, where hierarchy is now determined by salary, replacing physical dominance of one another - I cannot explain it, but it is there) - finally some credence for men being loving and caring and able to laugh with the girls about sticking your finger in the back of a diaper and coming up &#039;successful&#039;  is accepted, but I have to tell you - men and women are prejudiced and discounting of men being adequate caregivers. The irony is (in my experience) when the source of that derision is from feminist sources. It&#039;s embarrassing, really. . especially when the only proper thing to do is to correct the prejudicial comment - because equality goes both ways. I don&#039;t accept comments from my caregiver (which stopped quickly) like &quot;Daddy must have dressed her&quot; if she doesn&#039;t match, when I spent 30 mins putting the right clothes on but wanting to allow my daughter her right of choice, to promote her in attempting to see value in what she wears, etc. etc.

Regarding workplace equality, you are bang on. Any business (I have owned my company for 13 years, and had 3 women employees of mid/late twenties age leave to raise their families. (God bless them, they are fabulous parents!) Here is something you may not know: EI dings us (employer) for women going on mat leave. Seriously. Then the tax system doesn&#039;t give credit for SAHM/D&#039;s - here is the crux of the problem: if you can&#039;t assign salary to a person, society doesn&#039;t recognize their accomplishments - which is bull. The ROOT of this problem is to give enough tax relief to a family to make it possible for one member to stay home. But there are inherent problems: people abuse systems like this. Society wants more workers in the workforce, our economy depends on everyone working for higher GDP. Businesses go out of business when they invest $10 000 of time and money training someone who leaves to raise a family and then is further penalized by EI. These are the realities folks. Employers &quot;taking you aside&quot; because you took an extra day off for your kid need to be reminded of your value. If you are not worth enough to them, find another job.  Easier said than done? You don&#039;t value yourself enough then. You will realize at some point that employers need you too - and if you aren&#039;t abusing them by taking 20 sick days off, they will quickly get over their bullying and see that you need to take that time off - that you resent them when they stand between you and your family.

There are many elements here. They have to be addressed by communicating with each other - without fear of reprisal or being labeled. I&#039;m sorry, but there are too many &#039;feminists&#039; who have sullied an excellent original intention of equality by stomping on men instead of taking smart tactics (as mentioned above) of looking at how to fix the problem.

Just some ranting thoughts, sorry for taking up so much space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an egalitarian, in practical contexts. Which is to say respect, rights, pay, etc. should be equal. I&#8217;m not educated enough in the area of feminism to understand why the fight to be equal requires the promotion of one side over the other to accomplish that goal, however I&#8217;m sure someone will explain it to me.</p>
<p>When required to consider the consequences or symptoms of any problem I&#8217;ve always found it helpful to identify and understand the players, and their evolutionary roots. Here are some out loud thoughts that I&#8217;m sure will make some upset, yet possibly have some secret acknowledgments as well, as so many topics are easier to hide behind what is popular or &#8216;correct&#8217; that to voice and discuss openly.</p>
<p>Women are natural multi-taskers, although I cannot reference the studies, this is a biological fact. Also there are many studies looking at the hormonal protection mode of mother over children and &#8216;instinct&#8217; that magically allows a woman to know a course of action to take. I find it interesting in many relationships that men are not &#8216;allowed&#8217; to make the care decisions day to day, or on a specific event (child fall go boom) and that as with any activity, practice or lack thereof leads to a lack of knowledge in taking action at these times. My point is that there is an assumption (correct or not) that the mother knows best how to deliver care. Our society promotes men as being a physical force in the family for protection / breadwinning duties (it is unspoken, but immediately felt in a circle of men, where hierarchy is now determined by salary, replacing physical dominance of one another &#8211; I cannot explain it, but it is there) &#8211; finally some credence for men being loving and caring and able to laugh with the girls about sticking your finger in the back of a diaper and coming up &#8217;successful&#8217;  is accepted, but I have to tell you &#8211; men and women are prejudiced and discounting of men being adequate caregivers. The irony is (in my experience) when the source of that derision is from feminist sources. It&#8217;s embarrassing, really. . especially when the only proper thing to do is to correct the prejudicial comment &#8211; because equality goes both ways. I don&#8217;t accept comments from my caregiver (which stopped quickly) like &#8220;Daddy must have dressed her&#8221; if she doesn&#8217;t match, when I spent 30 mins putting the right clothes on but wanting to allow my daughter her right of choice, to promote her in attempting to see value in what she wears, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Regarding workplace equality, you are bang on. Any business (I have owned my company for 13 years, and had 3 women employees of mid/late twenties age leave to raise their families. (God bless them, they are fabulous parents!) Here is something you may not know: EI dings us (employer) for women going on mat leave. Seriously. Then the tax system doesn&#8217;t give credit for SAHM/D&#8217;s &#8211; here is the crux of the problem: if you can&#8217;t assign salary to a person, society doesn&#8217;t recognize their accomplishments &#8211; which is bull. The ROOT of this problem is to give enough tax relief to a family to make it possible for one member to stay home. But there are inherent problems: people abuse systems like this. Society wants more workers in the workforce, our economy depends on everyone working for higher GDP. Businesses go out of business when they invest $10 000 of time and money training someone who leaves to raise a family and then is further penalized by EI. These are the realities folks. Employers &#8220;taking you aside&#8221; because you took an extra day off for your kid need to be reminded of your value. If you are not worth enough to them, find another job.  Easier said than done? You don&#8217;t value yourself enough then. You will realize at some point that employers need you too &#8211; and if you aren&#8217;t abusing them by taking 20 sick days off, they will quickly get over their bullying and see that you need to take that time off &#8211; that you resent them when they stand between you and your family.</p>
<p>There are many elements here. They have to be addressed by communicating with each other &#8211; without fear of reprisal or being labeled. I&#8217;m sorry, but there are too many &#8216;feminists&#8217; who have sullied an excellent original intention of equality by stomping on men instead of taking smart tactics (as mentioned above) of looking at how to fix the problem.</p>
<p>Just some ranting thoughts, sorry for taking up so much space.</p>
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