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		<title>By: Goodbye Berlin, Hello Canada &#124; PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/05/03/berlin-a-day-care-culture/#comment-73922</link>
		<dc:creator>Goodbye Berlin, Hello Canada &#124; PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] friends for my kids: We didn&#8217;t have much success in finding playmates for our kids in Berlin. All of the children our kids ages are in day care (&#8220;Kita&#8221;) until around 4pm every day, which is about the time that we are usually getting ready to go home. We did find kids to play [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] friends for my kids: We didn&#8217;t have much success in finding playmates for our kids in Berlin. All of the children our kids ages are in day care (&#8220;Kita&#8221;) until around 4pm every day, which is about the time that we are usually getting ready to go home. We did find kids to play [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have almost the same problem. My family also lives in Germany just outside of Kaiserslautern. The Village we live in has no children my daughters age.  We can go into the local Military community and they have some activities, but the majority are for ages 3 and up. The classes she has taken have been awful. She seems to be deathly afraid of older German women and guess who the teachers are..?
We can put her into the local German Montessori or the pre-school in the next village when she is three, but until the we are pretty much on our own. Maybe you can find a local pool? We seem to find the most playmates during trips to the pool. Swim class did not work for us. On a side note maybe if the Germans would put a/c and central heat into homes they would have more babies. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have almost the same problem. My family also lives in Germany just outside of Kaiserslautern. The Village we live in has no children my daughters age.  We can go into the local Military community and they have some activities, but the majority are for ages 3 and up. The classes she has taken have been awful. She seems to be deathly afraid of older German women and guess who the teachers are..?<br />
We can put her into the local German Montessori or the pre-school in the next village when she is three, but until the we are pretty much on our own. Maybe you can find a local pool? We seem to find the most playmates during trips to the pool. Swim class did not work for us. On a side note maybe if the Germans would put a/c and central heat into homes they would have more babies. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 10:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, me again. I just reread some of the other comments, and in answer to the question about why a lot of parents do go back to work so early when they don&#039;t have to, I think it all - sadly - has to do with what other people do. I think the questions of whether you should give up work altogether and how long you should stay at home with your kids before going back to work are all unconsciously framed by what you consider to be &quot;normal&quot; - what people around you do. If everyone around you puts their child into Kindergarten aged 12 months, then society says that&#039;s ok. Similarly, if no one at work took longer than six months parental leave, you have to face lots of questions about how you will manage to come back after longer... I think it would really help for antenatal classes in Berlin to give more information on this subject to prospective parents so that they can plan better before going on maternity leave and feel stronger to make their own choices rather than just follow peer group pressure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, me again. I just reread some of the other comments, and in answer to the question about why a lot of parents do go back to work so early when they don&#8217;t have to, I think it all &#8211; sadly &#8211; has to do with what other people do. I think the questions of whether you should give up work altogether and how long you should stay at home with your kids before going back to work are all unconsciously framed by what you consider to be &#8220;normal&#8221; &#8211; what people around you do. If everyone around you puts their child into Kindergarten aged 12 months, then society says that&#8217;s ok. Similarly, if no one at work took longer than six months parental leave, you have to face lots of questions about how you will manage to come back after longer&#8230; I think it would really help for antenatal classes in Berlin to give more information on this subject to prospective parents so that they can plan better before going on maternity leave and feel stronger to make their own choices rather than just follow peer group pressure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 08:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Berlin and hate the fact that I have had to go back to work (20 hours a week). We live in Zehlendorf. My daughter (aged 4) goes to the &quot;Montessori Preschool&quot; which is a wonderful half-day preschool - so families are always around from 1.30pm. I find that in Zehlendorf, the playgrounds are not dominated by Kindergärten in the afternoons and we can make new friends. However, the real &quot;happy hour&quot; is from 5pm when all the local children are in the playgrounds with their families. Unfortunately I am not entitled to Elternzeit (long story), but I would jump at it if I had the chance. I have heard from other mums, even in Zehlendorf (deepest West Berlin!), that you feel isolated if you stay at home after your child is about 18 months because everyone else is back at work. In Zehlendorf, the &quot;Mittelhof&quot; community centre has a café and a lovely playground as well as a programme of children&#039;s clubs/events. I find this quite a good place to bump into people and make friends. Maybe a Nachbarschaftsheim or something in your area would be a possibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Berlin and hate the fact that I have had to go back to work (20 hours a week). We live in Zehlendorf. My daughter (aged 4) goes to the &#8220;Montessori Preschool&#8221; which is a wonderful half-day preschool &#8211; so families are always around from 1.30pm. I find that in Zehlendorf, the playgrounds are not dominated by Kindergärten in the afternoons and we can make new friends. However, the real &#8220;happy hour&#8221; is from 5pm when all the local children are in the playgrounds with their families. Unfortunately I am not entitled to Elternzeit (long story), but I would jump at it if I had the chance. I have heard from other mums, even in Zehlendorf (deepest West Berlin!), that you feel isolated if you stay at home after your child is about 18 months because everyone else is back at work. In Zehlendorf, the &#8220;Mittelhof&#8221; community centre has a café and a lovely playground as well as a programme of children&#8217;s clubs/events. I find this quite a good place to bump into people and make friends. Maybe a Nachbarschaftsheim or something in your area would be a possibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Klimek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Klimek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading your posts for ages now, and we are visiting Germany this summer, so I&#039;ve been reading these recent posts with much fervor.  We&#039;ll be in Berlin 4 days and I&#039;m combing through your posts for kid-friendly things to do. Seems like there are activities which I&#039;m glad to see! Maybe we&#039;ll bump into you at one of the parks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading your posts for ages now, and we are visiting Germany this summer, so I&#8217;ve been reading these recent posts with much fervor.  We&#8217;ll be in Berlin 4 days and I&#8217;m combing through your posts for kid-friendly things to do. Seems like there are activities which I&#8217;m glad to see! Maybe we&#8217;ll bump into you at one of the parks!</p>
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		<title>By: Sungold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sungold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which neighborhood of Berlin are you in? You might have better luck where there are more immigrant families, e.g., in Kreuzberg (though from your near-the-wall location I assume you might actually be in Kreuzberg).

My experience in Berlin, having lived there for years while I did my Ph.D. work and had my first child, is that lots of mothers don&#039;t work. But because daycare is subsidized, even some stay-at-home mothers use a Tagesmutter or Kita. In my neighborhood (the Tiergarten section of Mitte), the common time for mothers to be on the playground with their kids is after they pick them up from the Kita, around 4 in the afternoon. So you might have better luck in the late afternoon?

One reason to go back to paid work earlier than three years is that after six months, maternity leave pay drops dramatically, especially if you have a partner who makes decent money. Many parts of western Germany have a strong ideal of stay-at-home mothers, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware from your German friends, and the schools are generally still on a schedule that presumes a stay-at-home mom. There&#039;s also the notion of the &quot;Rabenmutter&quot; - the neglectful mother - which shames women who work for pay. But many German mothers need to work, and plenty of them want to work, too. 

I&#039;m actually surprised that most of the kids in your neighborhood seem to be in Kitas, because there are lots of Kitas that don&#039;t take kids under 3, and so a lot of the really young ones go to a Tagesmutter (which is also state-subsidized). A Tagesmutter wouldn&#039;t normally have six kids, though, and those kids in the six-seater stroller are small indeed.

I&#039;m not in Berlin permanently anymore (may visit this summer) but I still run an email list for English-speaking expat academics, artists, and similar folks in Berlin. Email me if you like at sungold85 (at) gmail (dot) com if you think you might find it helpful. People use it for housing requests, doctor recommendations, and sometimes parenting-related questions, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which neighborhood of Berlin are you in? You might have better luck where there are more immigrant families, e.g., in Kreuzberg (though from your near-the-wall location I assume you might actually be in Kreuzberg).</p>
<p>My experience in Berlin, having lived there for years while I did my Ph.D. work and had my first child, is that lots of mothers don&#8217;t work. But because daycare is subsidized, even some stay-at-home mothers use a Tagesmutter or Kita. In my neighborhood (the Tiergarten section of Mitte), the common time for mothers to be on the playground with their kids is after they pick them up from the Kita, around 4 in the afternoon. So you might have better luck in the late afternoon?</p>
<p>One reason to go back to paid work earlier than three years is that after six months, maternity leave pay drops dramatically, especially if you have a partner who makes decent money. Many parts of western Germany have a strong ideal of stay-at-home mothers, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re aware from your German friends, and the schools are generally still on a schedule that presumes a stay-at-home mom. There&#8217;s also the notion of the &#8220;Rabenmutter&#8221; &#8211; the neglectful mother &#8211; which shames women who work for pay. But many German mothers need to work, and plenty of them want to work, too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually surprised that most of the kids in your neighborhood seem to be in Kitas, because there are lots of Kitas that don&#8217;t take kids under 3, and so a lot of the really young ones go to a Tagesmutter (which is also state-subsidized). A Tagesmutter wouldn&#8217;t normally have six kids, though, and those kids in the six-seater stroller are small indeed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in Berlin permanently anymore (may visit this summer) but I still run an email list for English-speaking expat academics, artists, and similar folks in Berlin. Email me if you like at sungold85 (at) gmail (dot) com if you think you might find it helpful. People use it for housing requests, doctor recommendations, and sometimes parenting-related questions, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could contact a bf consultant from the AFS www.afs-stillen.de or LLL www.lalecheliga.de
They are usually AP-parents and often stay at home Moms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could contact a bf consultant from the AFS <a href="http://www.afs-stillen.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.afs-stillen.de</a> or LLL <a href="http://www.lalecheliga.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.lalecheliga.de</a><br />
They are usually AP-parents and often stay at home Moms.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to mention that I&#039;m German. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot to mention that I&#8217;m German. <img src='http://www.phdinparenting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree here. In the former East Germany you&#039;ll find most Moms are working, while in the former West Germany most Moms stay at home. And no matter what you decide to do, you always have to justify yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree here. In the former East Germany you&#8217;ll find most Moms are working, while in the former West Germany most Moms stay at home. And no matter what you decide to do, you always have to justify yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
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		<dc:creator>phdinparenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homeschooling is illegal here, which is one of the reasons you don&#039;t see kids 6+ at the playgrounds during the day. But I expected to see kids 5 and under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homeschooling is illegal here, which is one of the reasons you don&#8217;t see kids 6+ at the playgrounds during the day. But I expected to see kids 5 and under.</p>
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