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		<title>By: advice blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ask a Simple Question, Get an Earful of Unwanted Parenting Advice &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-223386</link>
		<dc:creator>advice blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ask a Simple Question, Get an Earful of Unwanted Parenting Advice &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that she at least got her adultist viewpoint out in the open right at the start of the article. She goes on to say [emphasis [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ask a Simple Question, Get an Earful of Unwanted Parenting Advice — PhD in Parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-223302</link>
		<dc:creator>Ask a Simple Question, Get an Earful of Unwanted Parenting Advice — PhD in Parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that she at least got her adultist viewpoint out in the open right at the start of the article. She goes on to say [emphasis [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Perfecting Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-124996</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfecting Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 01:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be surprised if any government social programs are close to fully funded by the generation receiving them.  If you assume that population always grows or stays the same then you don&#039;t have to fund, just tax the next generation or borrow and let them pay it back.  It becomes a big problem when the next generation is smaller.

We might even call it smart for the older generation to reap big benefits while pushing all the cost on the great-grand-children.  The Canadian elderly did a good job of that too!  Too bad the pyramid probably topples eventually.  Some generation is going to hit a decade or two of hard times as all the environmental, health-care and retirement bills come due and are too big to roll over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be surprised if any government social programs are close to fully funded by the generation receiving them.  If you assume that population always grows or stays the same then you don&#8217;t have to fund, just tax the next generation or borrow and let them pay it back.  It becomes a big problem when the next generation is smaller.</p>
<p>We might even call it smart for the older generation to reap big benefits while pushing all the cost on the great-grand-children.  The Canadian elderly did a good job of that too!  Too bad the pyramid probably topples eventually.  Some generation is going to hit a decade or two of hard times as all the environmental, health-care and retirement bills come due and are too big to roll over.</p>
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		<title>By: Perfecting Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-124995</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfecting Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 01:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is more why there are low birth rates.  Parents choose to have fewer children, later in order to pursue career and have an easier life.  Also, once it starts it probably builds on itself:  People with more childless friends or small families follow the herd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is more why there are low birth rates.  Parents choose to have fewer children, later in order to pursue career and have an easier life.  Also, once it starts it probably builds on itself:  People with more childless friends or small families follow the herd.</p>
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		<title>By: high school dropout in parenting</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-74347</link>
		<dc:creator>high school dropout in parenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone says pay-as-you-go pension schemes are the root of Europe&#039;s reproductive ills, but I dunno. Last I heard, fertility rates were dropping like a rock even in places like Iran. Not sure what to blame it on? Maybe cities are just a big fat population sinkhole. I have four kids and can hardly imagine having to raise them all in.... Seattle. Or Tokyo. Not even Oklahoma City. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone says pay-as-you-go pension schemes are the root of Europe&#8217;s reproductive ills, but I dunno. Last I heard, fertility rates were dropping like a rock even in places like Iran. Not sure what to blame it on? Maybe cities are just a big fat population sinkhole. I have four kids and can hardly imagine having to raise them all in&#8230;. Seattle. Or Tokyo. Not even Oklahoma City. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know though, I appreciate that many people know themselves well enough to choose to remain childless for whatever reason, despite pressure many get from from parents, ILs, friends etc. I mean, most people know as soon as you&#039;re in a relationship, people start to ask when you are getting married. When you get married, people ask when you are going to have kids....Not everyone should have children.

(I especially appreciate it when people that are actually anti-child don&#039;t have them. I do however agree they should remember, someone else&#039;s kids will be caring for them one day.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know though, I appreciate that many people know themselves well enough to choose to remain childless for whatever reason, despite pressure many get from from parents, ILs, friends etc. I mean, most people know as soon as you&#8217;re in a relationship, people start to ask when you are getting married. When you get married, people ask when you are going to have kids&#8230;.Not everyone should have children.</p>
<p>(I especially appreciate it when people that are actually anti-child don&#8217;t have them. I do however agree they should remember, someone else&#8217;s kids will be caring for them one day.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is true! I once  saw a mother with a baby in a store (before I even had kids). The baby was babbling away, very cute! The mother kept shushing it, and made a comment about how &quot;fussy&quot; she was that day. It did NOT sound anything like fussing to me, the child was clearly &quot;talking&quot;. But, different perceptions I guess. Maybe people had been giving her dirty looks?

Today I was in a pediatrician&#039;s office, and my boys were playing nicely, but a wee bit loudly. I kept thinking the receptionist was going to shush them (maybe that was only my impression though), even though we were the only ones there, so the only person they might have been bothering was her (and I figure, occupational hazard!) She did in fact tell my toddler to sit on his bum not stand on the chair, even though I&#039;d already told him that myself and was just waiting for him to comply. Then the doctor himself told my kids, after one asked a question, that they had to be &quot;absolutely quiet&quot; while we spoke. Granted, they need to work on not interrupting :P but they are also only 3 and 6, and both big talkers. Sitting absolutely quietly -- not gonna happen. And again, in his line of work he hasn&#039;t dealt with more disruptive kids than mine (or at least AS disruptive)? Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is true! I once  saw a mother with a baby in a store (before I even had kids). The baby was babbling away, very cute! The mother kept shushing it, and made a comment about how &#8220;fussy&#8221; she was that day. It did NOT sound anything like fussing to me, the child was clearly &#8220;talking&#8221;. But, different perceptions I guess. Maybe people had been giving her dirty looks?</p>
<p>Today I was in a pediatrician&#8217;s office, and my boys were playing nicely, but a wee bit loudly. I kept thinking the receptionist was going to shush them (maybe that was only my impression though), even though we were the only ones there, so the only person they might have been bothering was her (and I figure, occupational hazard!) She did in fact tell my toddler to sit on his bum not stand on the chair, even though I&#8217;d already told him that myself and was just waiting for him to comply. Then the doctor himself told my kids, after one asked a question, that they had to be &#8220;absolutely quiet&#8221; while we spoke. Granted, they need to work on not interrupting <img src='http://www.phdinparenting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  but they are also only 3 and 6, and both big talkers. Sitting absolutely quietly &#8212; not gonna happen. And again, in his line of work he hasn&#8217;t dealt with more disruptive kids than mine (or at least AS disruptive)? Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Al_Pal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al_Pal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

Here via @VDog&#039;s RT, this week. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>Here via @VDog&#8217;s RT, this week. <img src='http://www.phdinparenting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: phdinparenting</title>
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		<dc:creator>phdinparenting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>katadia:

You are correct. My mistake. I edited the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>katadia:</p>
<p>You are correct. My mistake. I edited the post.</p>
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		<title>By: katadia</title>
		<link>http://www.phdinparenting.com/2010/07/24/adult-privilege-is-exacerbated-when-children-are-a-minority/#comment-73181</link>
		<dc:creator>katadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie,  Pakistan would be in South Asia. In South East Asia, the current trend is showing declining total fertility rates (Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia). In urban SEA, women are getting married at later ages and are having fewer children. BUT, overall, I do find that the society in South East Asia is relatively much more child friendly than in places like Australia. And I second Liz&#039;s and your comments on collectivism as playing a major part. 

I grew up in Jakarta, Indonesia, and am now living in Canberra, Australia, with my two young children. Even though Jakarta is a big polluted cosmopolitan city with limited open spaces for children, I found that Jakartans are very accommodating and friendly to children. In general, they are very tolerant to the noises children make in public places, the crying, the behaviour, the running around. Whenever I visit Jakarta, I never ever once feel uncomfortable taking my children anywhere. To weddings, markets, restaurants, hotel lobbys, etc. 

In contrast, here in Canberra, I often feel uptight bringing my children to sit down restaurants, and I know other mothers who have been &#039;asked&#039; to please &#039;control&#039; their child at coffee shops etc. 

It is true that cities in the &#039;West&#039; offer, let&#039;s say, child-friendly environment (clean air, water etc), and physical infrastructure (playground, sports oval, bike tracks) than urban centres in South East Asia. But often, I personally feel that this also cause some sort of segmentations as to where you should and should not take a young child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie,  Pakistan would be in South Asia. In South East Asia, the current trend is showing declining total fertility rates (Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia). In urban SEA, women are getting married at later ages and are having fewer children. BUT, overall, I do find that the society in South East Asia is relatively much more child friendly than in places like Australia. And I second Liz&#8217;s and your comments on collectivism as playing a major part. </p>
<p>I grew up in Jakarta, Indonesia, and am now living in Canberra, Australia, with my two young children. Even though Jakarta is a big polluted cosmopolitan city with limited open spaces for children, I found that Jakartans are very accommodating and friendly to children. In general, they are very tolerant to the noises children make in public places, the crying, the behaviour, the running around. Whenever I visit Jakarta, I never ever once feel uncomfortable taking my children anywhere. To weddings, markets, restaurants, hotel lobbys, etc. </p>
<p>In contrast, here in Canberra, I often feel uptight bringing my children to sit down restaurants, and I know other mothers who have been &#8216;asked&#8217; to please &#8216;control&#8217; their child at coffee shops etc. </p>
<p>It is true that cities in the &#8216;West&#8217; offer, let&#8217;s say, child-friendly environment (clean air, water etc), and physical infrastructure (playground, sports oval, bike tracks) than urban centres in South East Asia. But often, I personally feel that this also cause some sort of segmentations as to where you should and should not take a young child.</p>
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